{"id":815,"date":"2020-08-22T22:02:22","date_gmt":"2020-08-22T22:02:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/?p=815"},"modified":"2020-08-22T22:02:22","modified_gmt":"2020-08-22T22:02:22","slug":"the-irrationality-of-bottle-deposits","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/2020\/08\/22\/the-irrationality-of-bottle-deposits\/","title":{"rendered":"The irrationality of bottle deposits"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When I was younger, growing up in the USA, \u00a0I would see the occasional bottle littering the street and thought that perhaps if we simply sold all softdrinks in glass bottles with deposits this problem would go away &#8211; no more bottles in the streets\u00a0and less garbage in the landfills.<\/p>\n<p>Wow, a few years later in a different country that attempts to fulfill that dream has really changed my mind against such a solution.<\/p>\n<p>In Germany a lot of drinks are sold with bottle deposits. \u00a0Rather than having a single coherent policy they initially opted for a jumbled up mishmash approach. \u00a0The easiest target for such a deposit was softdrinks, energy drinks and beer.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2878\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/bottledeposits.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1080\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/bottledeposits.jpeg 1080w, https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/bottledeposits-300x167.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/bottledeposits-768x427.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/bottledeposits-1024x569.jpeg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>0.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 0.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 0.00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 0.25\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 0.00<\/p>\n<p>If you purchase a softdrink or can of beer\u00a0you have to pay a 25 cent deposit on the container. When this was initially implemented it was done in literally the worst possible way. \u00a0You had to keep your receipt and bring both the bottle and the receipt back to the place you originally purchased the drink.<\/p>\n<p>I have no idea how much of a windfall that was for the sellers of such drinks but it must have been fairly large. \u00a0Who had the time to track where you bought your drink and make a special effort to get back to that part of town (or another town) to get back\u00a0the deposit all without loosing the receipt.<\/p>\n<p>Fortunately, the law was changed so it was then possible to return the container to any shop that sold that type of drink. \u00a0It was about this time that machines came to the rescue in the form of bottle return machines.<\/p>\n<p>Simply show up at your favorite grocery store and start to pop those bottles and cans into the machine. \u00a0A lot of the machines accept cans while some do not &#8211; this wasn&#8217;t such of a problem for me.<\/p>\n<p>A bigger problem was that not all bottle types can be put into the machines. \u00a0There are two different types of plastic \u00a0bottles, single use versus refillable. \u00a0The refillable bottles are a different type of plastic and much sturdier. \u00a0Instead of the same 25 cents as the other plastic or cans these bottles have a deposit of 15 cents.<\/p>\n<p>This wasn&#8217;t so much a new rate as\u00a0the rate that has always been used for refillable plastic bottles while refillable glass bottles have always been just 8 cents per bottle.<\/p>\n<h2>The exceptions<\/h2>\n<p>One of the nice things about shopping in Germany is that when you see some item for sale that costs 9.99, you know that it costs exactly 9.99. \u00a0The retailers have the labels printed to include the tax that must be paid.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know how many times I have spoken with someone from Germany who visits America for the first time and doesn&#8217;t understand how it is done there. Just how much will an item will cost? They don&#8217;t understand why an item might not cost the same as the next city over due to a city tax. \u00a0Each state has its own state tax with some items being exempt from taxes while other products such as alcohol have extra taxes added on.<\/p>\n<p>I feel the same way now when purchasing a drink from a gas station as sometimes there is no deposit but sometimes there is 8, 15 or 25 cents deposit required.\u00a0 Sometimes the deposit is included in the price on the shelf while other times not.<\/p>\n<h2>More exceptions<\/h2>\n<p>From looking at some of the exceptions it appears that the deposits are not designed to help recycle certain plastics nor metals. \u00a0The deposits do not appear to specifically target juices or water as it is possible to purchase drinks in a tetrapak without paying any deposit.<\/p>\n<p>I initially thought that perhaps\u00a0this might be aimed at people who consume alcohol (ie beer) and throw the empty cans on the street. \u00a0This is a possibility but that rings a bit hollow as there is no other deposit required for wine, sparkling wine or hard spirits.<\/p>\n<h2>The problem revealed<\/h2>\n<p>This entire conspiracy of bottle deposits was <del>fully<\/del> partially cleared up not that long ago.\u00a0 What had apparently happened was someone had managed to convince the politicians that it wasn&#8217;t soft drinks or alcohol that was the problem but rather it was carbon dioxide.\u00a0 Yup, it is the people who consume products full of carbon dioxide that are littering the streets.\u00a0 Thus this last round of bottle deposits was levied on beverages that contain the hated carbon dioxide.<\/p>\n<p>In the meantime, I have to remember to take some empty bottles with to the store as they are really starting to accumulate.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I was younger, growing up in the USA, \u00a0I would see the occasional bottle littering the street and thought that perhaps if we simply sold all softdrinks in glass bottles with deposits this problem would go away &#8211; no &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/2020\/08\/22\/the-irrationality-of-bottle-deposits\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[4],"tags":[60],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/815"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=815"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/815\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3459,"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/815\/revisions\/3459"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=815"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=815"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.paranoidprofessor.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=815"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}