command line fun – finding security problems with find

I cannot actually remember how it happened.  I wasn’t paying enough attention and was viewing one of my scripts on production.  When I was finished I did what I always do in vi – I exited the script using 😡 which actually saves and exits.  In this instance instead of getting an readonly error it actually saved the file.  I almost had a heart attack.

This shouldn’t have saved as my guest user has only viewing rights.

The good news was that I actually didn’t make any changes to my script but how exactly did my script end up as read/write for everyone (ie chmod O+rw and their dog.

Well, I started by checking my development project and the package that gets built from it.  I was, an still am, happy that my package build script does use 755 to make sure that my work doesn’t get changed by bad actors.

I can only assume that the package installation process somehow modifies the file permissions.  This is being followed up on but I was curious just how wide spread this was.  I did some further checking and there is a easier way to determine which files than editing each one.


I wish I knew the back story on the find command as there is probably a lot of interesting stories how those features came into being.  In my case, on Solaris, there is a argument that will allow you to search for a specific file permission.

find /path -perm 777

This simplest call will show you a list of all rather naughty file permissions.  This is however a rather crude way of searching.  You might want to know which permissions world users have but are unconcerned with those for owner or group.

Find still has you covered.  It is possible to check for read,write or execute permissions or any combination thereof for user, group or world.  The method is actually very similar to the chmod command.

find /path -perm -o+rwx

This command will return a list of all files that are defined as read, write and execute for everyone on the machine. This should hopefully be a very small number of files or at least they should be some simple developer files (on a test machine).

Of course there is a second syntax for producing the same output.

find /path -perm -o=rwx

This syntax might be a bit more intuitive if you are not very familiar with unix.

It is possible to even go one more step and check for files that have the SUID set.  This is done in exactly the same way as the other permissions.

I have run this SUID check on my personal computer and you can see a very reasonable list of files that would have that bit set.

myuser@laptop ~ $ find /bin -perm -u+s -ls
  5242947     32 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root        30800 Jul 12  2016 /bin/fusermount
  5242997    140 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root       142032 Jan 28  2017 /bin/ntfs-3g
  5243023     44 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root        44680 May  7  2014 /bin/ping6
  5242927     40 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root        40152 Jun 14 23:51 /bin/mount
  5242931     28 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root        27608 Jun 14 23:51 /bin/umount
  5243049     40 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root        40128 May 17 01:37 /bin/su
  5243022     44 -rwsr-xr-x   1 root     root        44168 May  7  2014 /bin/ping
myuser@laptop ~ $ 

In the end, I never did hear back why my files changed their permissions but the problem was corrected.  This particular command might be an interesting command to keep in mind for budding system administrators.

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AWS – Simple Notification Service

AWS can provide you a LOT of functionality.  Some of what it can provide is so powerful because you can automate given actions.  It isn’t necessary to monitor your EC2 instances to see if your machines are running at a high load, it is possible to configure the autoscaling to start up and shutdown instances based on the machine loads.

If you have ever setup the perfect system, program or script you realize it is still important to keep your finger on the pulse to prevent any unexpected surprises.

Amazon assists you in this by their simple notification service (SNS) which can be configured to send off messages when certain activities or thresholds are crossed.  Unsurprisingly, you cannot use/subscribe to the SNS until you have configured it with topics that interest you.

Configuring Simple Notification Service

The simple notification service, or SNS, is just a clever implementation of the standard publish and subscribe pattern that you may have experienced at some e-commerce site or other interactive system.

One example of this would be to subscribe to a web site that suggests it has notify you when more articles relating to your interests are available.  Another example might be in a realtime trading system you subscribe to which stock or currency prices you wish to follow so your client will then receive that information as new information becomes available.

All that is necessary for using SNS is to create a topic.

The topic setup is actually two different names.  The topic field is up to 256 alpha-numeric characters while the display name is both more friendly except it is limited to 10 characters.

Subscribing to the service

Setting up the service itself is very quick and easy but in order for a person or system to receive any of these notifications they need to subscribe to SNS for that topic.

To subscribe simply select which topic you wish to subscribe to and select “subscribe to topic” from the actions button.  The rest is to simply fill out this dialog.

The topic ARN will be filled from the topic you selected.  Amazon will provide a sample endpoint depending on which protocol you choose.  Fill this in with the proper value for your protocol, in this example a valid email address for receiving the emails.

Amazon has done a nice little twist in that this service is a bit more generic, it can send these messages to interested parties via one of the following methods.

  • Http
  • Https
  • Email
  • Email JSON
  • Amazon SQS
  • AWS Lambda
  • SMS

Note: SMS seems to be a new feature and is not yet rolled out to all regions.

That is all you need to do in order to create the topic and subscribe to it, however, just like almost every other mailing list or system AWS requires that the email address ( in this case) confirms this request.

It is not possible to edit these pending confirmations, they need to be confirmed by the account that they were sent to.  It is possible to manually confirm these requests from the topic overview page.  Simply select the topic to be confirmed which will open up a new dialog box asking for the proper confirmation URL.

In the case of responding to an email confirmation it is actually much easier to simply select the URL from the email which will perform the confirmation.

Testing setup

Once all of the previous steps are done then it is possible to “queue up” a message for the simple notification service to test out that the recipient will receive his or her message.  Simply select the topic from the list and press the “publish to topic” button.  You will be rewarded with the following dialog which can then be filled in with any test data you wish to send.

Once you press the publish button then the message will be sent out.

This is all the setup in order to create a SNS topic which can be used to notify yourself or your systems with information about the running state of your “machines” but all of this setup will not send a single message anywhere without further setup.


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don’t forget to periodically vote with your wallet

I don’t usually purchase any Windows software as I am a “Linux” guy.  I guess it makes sense as most Windows software packages wouldn’t work on your distribution even with a lot of prayers and the most current version of Wine (“Wine Is Not an Emulator”).

I say “usually purchase” because there are a few tasks that I cannot yet perform on Linux but I am trying to get past those issues.

Windows hasn’t always been the perfect operating system that it is today with Windows 10, arguably it isn’t all that perfect right now in my personal opinion.  I remember the “Windows XP” years where I had to purchase some utilities and other software packages to round out my computing experience.  I was fairly happy until I had to upgrade to Windows 7 as not everything I had purchased was still working after the upgrade.

I was initially a bit upset that that this or that fabulous little shareware software needed to be either repurchased or replaced by something else.  It didn’t take me too long before I realized that if I was a representative user then the income stream then most of those developers were going to die of hunger.  I saw a similar rant about this from a developer who used the Ubuntu software center – 

The free market works because it sends signals to companies providing goods or services. The companies selling products that are really desired get voted up (with money) which allows them to stay in business and expanse while the poor performers eventually go out of business.

I remember all of that from my economics class but I don’t remember them speaking at all about how open source software development models fit into the rest of economy. The answer is that it works in a similar fashion – companies or people need resources to continue.

These resources might be money, hardware or talented individuals to help out with any of the tasks related to the development and shipping of software.

Help to support your favorite organizations

The number of good companies to support is without end so I can only list some of the bigger ones that impact most of us every day.  This list covers just a few of the big open source players.

To help keep open source strong we all need to try and support our favorite organizations.

Some of these organizations help us process our data while others inform us of what is happening in our world or even provide computers with our favorite operating systems. This support might be in the form of time, talent or treasure.

It isn’t important that we all support the exact same organizations but that we support the ones that make a difference to each of us.



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Wireless Access point – EDIMAX

I don’t really feel the need to pimp out various hardware manufacturers but we just recently moved and our wireless network no longer reached all of the rooms.

The goal was to have seamless internet across the apartment without having two different wireless networks.  I did not have a large budget nor any preconceived notions which brand would be best. I tried going to a local electronics store and it would have been easy to walk away with at least 10 different brands of repeaters but from what I was seeing on the internet repeaters don’t discriminate which signals they repeat.  The internet also mentioned that most devices will be both a repeater and an access point, but as none of the pretty colored boxes mentioned this I abandoned my local store … for the internet.

I did some searching on Amazon to try and find a model or two and the trick was not finding a model that was an access point but to find one that did not have a lot of negative reviews.  I will be honest, I simply settled with the EDIMAX N300 access-point (EW-7438APn)

The actual device was quite tiny and the box also included a flat network cable.  It was perhaps 10 or 12 cm long but was too short for me.  The box also came with a tiny quick setup booklet that did describe what you needed to do if you are planning on using it just out of the box.  I felt changing the admin password away from the default would be a good idea.

The only reason that I am writing this up is because of just how painless this was.  I didn’t quite follow the instructions but to be honest they could have provided a link for something a bit beefier.

The setup

Once I plugged in the device, I connected it to the network and turned it on.

I was able to reach the device from my desktop computer.  Simply login using the provided admin and password and proceed to change a few of the values.

Of the values I only changed the SSID from the factory default to be the same value as my existing wireless network.  I changed the admin password and the wireless passphrase.  The only other change that I did was to setup the NTP server, select my timezone and  to enable the watchdog service check every 10 minutes.

I also did find a lot of very useful information about the topic in general on

It was pointed out that setting the SSID to the same value for multiple access points will work but it depends on the client that connects to it.  If that client is not very clever, it will remain stuck to its original connection even when a better one exists.

There was one other small problem.  Despite setting up a connection to a time service the date and time of the device doesn’t get properly set.  This wasn’t a problem for me but would be a problem if you wanted to schedule the wireless turn off period.

I actually do have one more small possible issue.  I personally haven’t had any problems connecting to the network using our new edimax using either android (Samsung, Huawei or Kindle) but my wife has complained that she has problems connecting from her Apple tablet.

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AWS – Autoscaling

The cloud isn’t really the cloud without some additional functionality beyond the ability of creating a virtual machine to run your software.

The cloud isn’t just somebody else’s data center either.  A short definition might be.

A Cloud solution is one where the software solution or service available over the internet and the user has the ability to allocate or deallocate this on own their own without the involvement of IT.  Usually the cloud solution can expand or contract as required.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has a slightly bigger, and much more elegant definition of what Cloud computing is – Cloud computing.

The part of this definition that I will be focusing on today is the ability of a cloud solution to expand or contact as necessary.  Amazon refers to this as elasticity and make it possible by allowing you to setup Autoscaling.


The ability to launch or shutdown an EC2 instance by uising system statistics such as CPU load to determine if more or fewer instances are required.

If it were only that easy in practice.  In order to take advantage of autoscaling the programs need to be written in so that it is possible to have multiple programs or processes running independent of each other.  This doesn’t have to be a difficult task however, this may be an undertaking for monolithic legacy systems that have certain expectations.


Setting up Autoscaling is a two part process.  The first part is to define a launch configuration (ie a template) describing how each machine should be configured.  This would probably to use one of your previously created AMI’s which would probably have your most if not all of your software configuration.

For brevity sake, I will skip a few of the screens for creating the launch creation.  The reason is that these steps should be familiar as they are the same as setting up a EC2 instance.

First we give our launch configuration a name.

Once everything has been selected, we do a quick verify that all tags, storage and such are correctly defined.

Auto Scaling Group

I cannot say if it is good “style” that AWS automatically launches in the creation of a scaling group once your launch configuration has been setup, however, it certainly is convenient.

First you give your auto scaling group a name, decide how many instances should be in the group, pick a network and decide which availability zones will be used when autoscaling.  The Amazon literature is pretty specific that for a high availability solution you would want your solutions to span availability zones when possible to counter the unlikely chance that a AZ goes down or becomes unreachable.

The scaling policies is the location where you get to decide on how big your solution should scale.  You do have the opportunity to keep your group size the same as previously defined.

Doing so would be the equivalent of a high availability solution.  This guarantees that AWS will launch a new instance if for any reason your existing instance(s) go down.

You also decide what metrics will be used when deciding to increase or decrease the number of instances you have.

You can see that I have decided that 45% cpu utilization should be the signal to create another EC2 instance.

You can also see that if the overall CPU utilization goes below 25% then AWS will decrease the number of EC2 instances that are running.

Once you have setup everything for your group (notification and tags not displayed here), then you get a chance to verify that you are satisfied with the setup.

The non-obvious step here is that once you actually create this group then AWS will proceed to create everything for you.  This is in one sense exactly what you want, however, it does make it impossible to create the group setup and then trigger once you are ready.


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AWS – Your own machine image

Until you start to actually use Amazon storage (elastic block store) you end up repeating yourself a lot getting your machine images into a working state.  This  might be something really simple such as adding your world class html code to your web site, or it might be adding other tools to your environment, it could even be the setup of your web server.

In anycase, the act of repeating the same actions time and time again does begin to it lose it charm after about 3 or 4 times.  It is possible to actually save the state of your machine images by creating your own custom image.  I don’t have an entire data  center full of machines so I will start with a single image – the web server.

In my opinion, this turns out that this is actually easier than a lot of other steps that i have had to perform.  The steps are pretty easy.

  • Pick an existing AMI as base
  • Start your image
  • Connect to your virtual machine and modify
  • Save image with new name

Pick an existing Amazon machine image

A lot of the steps for creating an Amazon machine image, AMI, is actually the same as when you first pick out an image when creating an EC2 instance.

Select an Amazon Machine Image


Choose which instance type of that image you wish

It depends on either which linux flavor you desire (or which windows version you require).


Start your image

This is exactly the same steps that you had to perform to start an EC2 image. This has been described in my article “AWS – Setting up EC2”.


Connect to your virtual machine and modify

Connecting to your machine is actually made quite painless by Amazon.  Simply select your machine and press the “connect” button on your dashboard.  This will bring up a big friendly dialog on how to connect to your machine.

Not only that, it is possible to copy and paste the command from the dialog to your shell.

If you are a windows user or are using some other operating system how to do your connection may vary.  Amazon does have instructions for windows users.

Once you are connected to the instance you can do any of the normal command line operations.  One such example is the stress command.  The stress command comes in handy when testing autoscaling.

I have been using the Amazon Linux image which uses yum for installing software.

sudo yum install stress

Once the stress utility is installed or even Apache web server then you are ready for creating your own image.  I didn’t install the entire LAMP for this test but Amazon does describe how to install the entire stack.


Save image with new name

Once you have an instance up and running that contains all of your personal changes the rest is trivial.  From the dashboard simply select Image from the “Actions” button and select create image (Actions -> Image -> Create image).

This will bring up a dialog box asking for both the image name and a description of the image.

Once you have filled this out press the create image button and after a few minutes the image will be saved under your list of Amazon images.


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AWS – Setting up EC2

Elastic compute cloud

A EC2 – an elastic compute cloud – is just a simple virtual machine.  Amazon does have a lot of really interesting ways of using virtual machines to solve problems.  The first step is to create an EC2 instance.  The steps to do this are as follows.

  • Choose an AMI
  • Choose an instance type
  • Configure instance
  • Add storage
  • Add tags
  • Configure Security group
  • Review
  • Generate key pair

Choose an AMI

Amazon give the acronym AMI to represent all of the machine images that you can choose.  Of course Amazon has their own Linux distribution but they also have a lot of other popular distributions available as well.

  • Redhat
  • SUSE
  • Ubuntu
  • Windows 2016 server

You can select whichever distribution you feel the most comfortable with.


Choose an instance type

The next step is to select the resources that should be made available to the machine.  The resources is all the same as for a physical computer.  This is the number of cpu’s, or virtual cpu’s, the memory and disk space.  I have chosen a small machine for testing.


Configure instance

The next step is to select your vpc and which subnet (assuming more than one exists).  Assuming you correctly did all of your steps correctly in creating it your virtual machine will get a public IP.


Add storage

Your EC2 will already have a drive assigned to it.  This is also were you could add additional volumes.  I haven’t actually needed any permanent storage for my tests so I left the default for this, however, in the future I will write up an example adding additional storage.


Add tags

This is a totally optional step.  You can create a number of tags that will be displayed with your machine.  I believe that these tags will also be on your billing statement.


Configure Security group

At this point it is either possible to create a new security group or select the one that was created while creating your VPC.



With these few steps done Amazon gives you a chance to review all of your settings before actually committing to this EC2 instance.

Generate key pair

Oddly enough I would have thought that this step would have been before the review.  The only way to connect to your machine is with a public / private key pair.

This will be the only opportunity to download the key pair so you should save it in a good location.  While creating other EC2 instances it is possible to either create another new pair or use an existing key pair.

At this point when you press the “Launch Instances” button the EC2 instance is created.

Pressing the instances button will bring up the dashboard.



The dashboard will show all of the running, stopped or terminated instances.  The terminated instances will be displayed for a short period of time and then eventually will be removed.


Once your instance shows up on the dashboard as running you can then connect to it.  Simply ssh to your virtual machine using your private key.  In this example the machine name is rather a mouthful.

However, Amazon does make it easy to connect to your machine, well, if you happen to be using linux or unix.  Simply select your machine and choose “connect” from the actions button at the top of the screen.  This will bring up a dialog showing the actual command that you need to use to connect to the machine.

ssh -i  "apacheAMI.pem"

If you are not actually using some flavor of unix you will need to do a few other small changes in order to connect to your machine, but Amazon is good enough to have a web page that documents this process.

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AWS – Setting up a VPC

I would rather talk about the actual compute engine (EC2) but that oddly enough you need a network before you can really create one.  Rather than talking about the default VPC I will discuss about the networking a bit right now.

Amazon Web Services VPC

A virtual private cloud (VPC) is essentially all of the networking infrastructure you would need in a virtual environment.  When creating a network at home you really don’t need very much.

  • Internet gateway
  • CIDR block

In a home network this usually boils down to a router that is connected to the internet.  The CIDR block is usually one of the non-routable networks.  My home network is

The process when creating a VPC on Amazon is pretty much the same.

  • Create a VPC for a given CIDR block for entire network
  • Create one or more subnets for the network
  • Create a an internet gateway
  • Attach gateway to my VPC
  • Add route to from VPC to rest of internet
  • Setup any special firewall rules
  • Create a security group

Before I cover all of the steps that are necessary for completely setting up a VPC it is important to note that Amazon makes it really easy to set all of this up with much less effort.  It is possible to create a default VPC which will create everything that is necessary.

Create a VPC for a given CIDR block for entire network

All of the setup will be associated with samplevpc and the CIDR block 192.168.  It is also possible to create a IPv6 network as well, but as IPv6 addresses are pretty horrible to look at I will leave that off.  It is enough to know that Amazon does also provide support for that new(ish) standard.

I question why Amazon didn’t add one more check box on the VPC creation dialog box that asked if the VPC should support DNS hostnames.  You need this if you want to connect to your EC2 machine (setup later) either with ssh, http or really any protocol. Once you create your VPC you need to edit it to set this option.

Create one or more subnets for the network

This step, can actually be performed as many times as necessary depending on how many different subnets you want.  This might be useful if you split up your setup into different logical networks.  This might be because you put different applications into different subnets or perhaps to create firewalls to create different layers of permissions.

My same criticism of the VPC creation dialog extends to the creation of subnets.  It should have been possible to add a checkbox to the subnet dialog for the assignment of IPv4 addresses.

Create a an internet gateway

Creating the internet gateway is really not much of a process.  The only real control you have is the user friendly name for the gateway.

However, once the gateway is created it is not automatically associated with anything.

Attach gateway to my VPC

Just select the VPC from the list that should be associated with this gateway.  The process isn’t difficult and as it turns out, you can only associate one internet gateway with a network.

Add route to from VPC to rest of internet

When first looking at the routing everything looks just fine.

The thing that might not be apparent from looking at this figure is that any virtual machine can talk to other virtual machines on its network segment.  However, if the destination is to a machine outside of the local network then there is no route to pass that information out.

This small change allows us to both communicate with any virtual machines but also that they can communicate with us as well.

Setup any special firewall rules / ACL

It is possible to set up the access control list which is essentially creating your own firewall.  You determine which protocols can come in on which ports from which locations.

Input ACL


Output ACL


Create a security group

Actually the AWS security group is really not that much different from the access control list setup.

It is possible to user either the ACL or the security group for dealing with internal traffic and the other as the firewall to the actual internet.


All of this setup is required to create your own little network and attach it to the internet.  It does seem like a lot of setup but it only takes a few minutes and it does give you the same control as setting up a router at home.

I will be using this network setup with a virtual computer (EC2 ) in my next article.

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AWS – Cloud computing with Amazon

I recently started looking at cloud computing by looking at OpenStack.  OpenStack allows you to take a lot of common hardware and create your own cloud server on your own hardware.  Once the software is setup it is easy for the user to setup his or her own little server or network.

The only problem is that I don’t have a bunch of intel I7 multi core servers full with ram sitting around for creating such a cloud.  I did have a five year old AMD 8 core server but unfortunately creating your own cloud server is very resource intensive.  Much more intensive than my poor old computer could handle.

I actually didn’t finish the tutorials because working with OpenStack was too slow with the equipment that I had available to me – yet it wasn’t their fault.  I wanted to do more with cloud computing so I decided to give Amazon Web Services a chance.  My thought was that Amazon has some amazing infrastructure around the world and so I should be able to use theirs without waiting an excessive amount of time.

Wikapedia says this about Cloud computing

Cloud computing is an information technology (IT) paradigm, a model for enabling ubiquitous access to shared pools of configurable resources (such as computer networks, servers, storage, applications and services), which can be rapidly provisioned with minimal management effort, often over the Internet.

Cloud computing

Cloud computing is a pretty big topic.  Cloud computing is almost like virtual computing except that clould computing takes a disparate resources and makes them available.  However, in addition to making them available it is done so by letting the user allocate what he or she wants rather than wait for IT to create the VM.

Yet that isn’t really cloud computing.  When a user can allocate their own “servers” from a pool of resources that is really only bordering on the edge of cloud computing as that is simply virtual computing – ie. take a server and run it on virtual hardware.

Clould computing is one step further.  It allows you to configure the setup so that multiple servers can be automatically brought on line up as the demand requires it but they can also be automatically shutdown when they are no longer needed. Additionally cloud computing can be configured to be smart enough to replace servers that are no longer responding and or even virtualize away the networking away from the physical hardware.

To create your own cloud based VM you need a network (VPC) and the computer (EC2).  In the next series articles I will create the network and then a virtual machines to run on it.  I will also discuss about setting up auto scaling and adding a load balancer as well as touching on some of the interesting services that Amazon web services offers.

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Customer advocacy or just smarting off without consequences

Don’t ever dare Murphy’s law.

I guess I did put the hit out on our washing machine by bragging how old it was.  Within weeks, it broke. We have children and cannot be without a wash machine for more than a few days.  The internet came to the rescue.

The internet is a great place, you can research and find the best deals all without changing out of your pajamas.  We went to the web site of a large home merchandise and it really didn’t take too long to find a replacement.  It was ordered and we were informed it could be delivered by the end of the week – awesome.

The company called and made an appointment for when we they could install it but it was when they showed up that things started to fall apart.  They delivered the washing machine but we needed a safety plate for the top of the machine as it was to be built under the counter in the kitchen.

No plate, no install.  This was a problem as we paid for the installation but also because we generate a lot of dirty laundry.  The delivery guys were professionals and they knew what could be safely done and what not.

It was looking like we would have a wash machine sitting in the middle of the room for days until we could sort this out.  I guess that created an extra load of stress as I could feel it over the phone line as I was explaining everything to her.  A short time later, my wife called back and reminded me that the old machine was the same brand and perhaps we could reuse that plate.

We were lucky.  I spoke with the installation guys who were game enough but while we were fooling around trying to install this my spouse called the support line. You really wouldn’t believe what happened – I didn’t.

The squeeky wheel gets the grease … kinda

Due to an amazing set of events I thought I would try and enlighten the suits in the C-suite with just how much glory they were covered in.  Who would be the best person to contact?  Store manager – nah, doesn’t really get the word out.  The CEO of the store chain – close, but I was upset and my wife couldn’t hardly string together words.  I finally found the correct person – I wrote to the CEO of the holding company for both that chain and another similarly large one.  I am not certain but I think those two chains is the majority of home items and electronics in all of Germany.

It was nice to receive a response from their public relations group but I don’t really believe that they are all that worried by a single dissatisfied customer.  The 30 Euros gift certificate that they sent was a nice gesture, small but nice.  It represented less than 4% of the total purchase, I am not sure that they were all that concerned.

The only silver lining was that I can work from home so in this particular case I didn’t have to worry about taking off more time from work to wait for a delivery of a wash machine.

My Letter

April 2017

Dear <big boss man>

I have just purchased a washing machine from Big Box Store and I am having a hard time trying to contain my dissatisfaction.

I have gone to your webpage which seemed to be well written and offered quite a bit of assistance when trying to compare the various models against each other. This machine was replacing one that was already built into our kitchen and so we selected that we wanted the old machine to be taken away and the new machine was to be installed by your firm or your designated workers.

Your web site did not bother to mention that additional hardware would be necessary to safely install this machine. We found this out when the machine was delivered to our house by which time it was too late to correct. The Hermes people who did the delivery were totally knowledgable, polite and helpful in this problem that was not of their making.

In my opinion this situation would have been bad luck if it were not for two factors. The lesser is that Big Box Store is a large multinational corporation earning hundreds of millions in yearly profits selling these types of devices for years – you should have known better. I was almost willing to consider this an oversight until my wife called up to discuss this with your support personnel.

How she was handled by your staff, Rude Customer Service Dude, is probably textbook reading. First discuss the problem and then when it starts to get hard to explain why you cannot fulfill your end of the purchase decide you won’t speak with the client. It turns out that my name was on the purchase order so your man decided he could stop speaking with my wife in the middle of the conversation. It is a rather curious type of customer service that your firm practices. Perhaps also some additional guidance would be helpful for your support staff who are currently only tarnishing your companies image.

You cannot imagine her surprise to find out your employee Rude Customer Service Dude not even willing to discuss this problem with her. The reason she was given is that she did not purchase the machine.

I guess this is part of new policy of Big Box Store is pursuing to convince people not to purchase things from their web site. This does make a small amount of sense if you are trying to limit your sales opportunities strictly to stores that must both display the merchandise and pay sales people to attempt to sell this merchandise.

It would be better to simply get your software developers to add an additional optional item that needs to be purchased when the user decides on “unterbaufähig” devices like washers as well as dealing with any similar situations.

I will most likely be telling this story for years. I would like to know if this was a simple oversight that is being corrected and how? Failing any feedback would force me to consider that either this is proof that your company cannot even write a simple web site or perhaps that Big Box Store is a good example of an old bricks and mortar company that will be replaced with by some cyber company in the coming years.


Max Mustermann

Their response

Dear Mr. Mustermann, 

We are very sorry to hear about your unsatisfactory purchasing experience.

First of all we want to ensure you that this does not correspond to our corporate philosophy.

We can understand your anger regarding the missing information about the necessary installation accessory. Of course we informed our specific department to find any solution for a better understanding regarding this products. Furthermore we want to apologize for the unfriendly and inappropriate behavior of the Hotline employee. We also will clarify this situation to prevent such customer experiences for the future.

As compensation for this inconveniences we will send you a gift card worth 30 €, which you can use in our Onlineshop as well as in our stores.

We’re looking forward to welcome you again and hope we can convince you of the contrary to your bad experience.

Yours sincerely

<big boss man>

The real response

I have had more than six months to cool down from this experience but I am feeling my blood pressure again going up.  It is not simply because I went back to the infamous website and this particular oversight does not seem to be fixed – but that is part of it.

No the real reason is that while speaking with my wife she reminded me of a very similar story.  The problem was not a washing machine but a dishwasher but it was the exact same issue.  This time it was the other large home and electronics store that made the mistake.

If that weren’t amazing enough, they made the mistake with my wife (girlfriend at the time) and I was at work about 10 years back.

I kinda wonder just how often this has happened in the last decade …

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